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		<title>By: Erin B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Shirley&#039;s post didn&#039;t actually offend my sensibilities.  

I think there&#039;s a tendency to, when someone says something in strident opposition to what is considered The Absolute Moral Right (whether Absolute pertains to the reader/listener&#039;s own personal internal compass or what they perceive to be the world&#039;s compass) just go completely fucking batshit on that person, as though shaming them will change their mind and redirect them to The Absolute Moral Right.  

Unfortunately, the world tends to be a fucking complicated place.  Haiti is a country that&#039;s started out pretty screwed up and it hasn&#039;t really managed to ever recover from that initial state.  It&#039;s for a variety of reasons.  You don&#039;t need a master&#039;s in global politics and history to get the basic gist.  Understanding the basics would have probably improved the overall tone of Shirley&#039;s ranticle, but I doubt it would have changed his mind.  

It&#039;s ugly and it sucks and I hate thinking about it, but giving aid -- especially on the massive scale post-earthquake, post-tsunami, post-Katrina, post-9/11 -- should be a point of consideration.  Someone&#039;s hurt, dying, sick, bleeding, whatever; the natural human response is, &quot;Oh God!  What can I do to help!?  Here, have a $5 sent-by-text donation!&quot;  And that&#039;s good.  I don&#039;t think Shirley ever insinuated it wasn&#039;t.  

But donations and aid of any form are only as good as the use to which they are put.  Truth, hard and cold.  It&#039;s great if we can get together x million dollars to send out into the ether to fund the various humanitarian operations working to get relief to Haitians right now.  It&#039;d be better if we could get together x million dollars to send to various humanitarian operations working to rebuild Haiti and make it BETTER, STRONGER, FASTER.  We have the technology, my friends.  

Something that&#039;s gotten lost in all this mess, to a degree, is the fact that there are actual Goddamn people living in Haiti.  At first blush, Shirley&#039;s ranticle read to me as essentially saying, &quot;How dare those poor people be so poor!&quot;  And, sure, that&#039;s an easy read to take.  It serves to feed the confirmation bias of &quot;Everyone who disagrees with me and doesn&#039;t do so in a manner that I endorse is just doing so to be a troll&quot;.  Saying that perhaps the citizens of Haiti aren&#039;t simply victims doesn&#039;t amount to saying that they deserved the decades of abuse prior to now or that they aren&#039;t deserving of any aid at all.

Everybody wants to help Haiti.  Some of us are simply not convinced that throwing money in the country&#039;s vague direction is the best plan of attack.  If Paul Shirley&#039;s guilty of anything, for my money it&#039;s bad writing.  

Now can we all stop being so precious about this and demand that the relief organizations which have received (which is, no matter how you slice it, a lot.  One example: http://www.physorg.com/news182698254.html ) openly discuss their tactics for best distributing aid and helping the citizens of Haiti set up an infrastructure that will help minimize the impact of future natural disasters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Shirley&#8217;s post didn&#8217;t actually offend my sensibilities.  </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a tendency to, when someone says something in strident opposition to what is considered The Absolute Moral Right (whether Absolute pertains to the reader/listener&#8217;s own personal internal compass or what they perceive to be the world&#8217;s compass) just go completely fucking batshit on that person, as though shaming them will change their mind and redirect them to The Absolute Moral Right.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the world tends to be a fucking complicated place.  Haiti is a country that&#8217;s started out pretty screwed up and it hasn&#8217;t really managed to ever recover from that initial state.  It&#8217;s for a variety of reasons.  You don&#8217;t need a master&#8217;s in global politics and history to get the basic gist.  Understanding the basics would have probably improved the overall tone of Shirley&#8217;s ranticle, but I doubt it would have changed his mind.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s ugly and it sucks and I hate thinking about it, but giving aid &#8212; especially on the massive scale post-earthquake, post-tsunami, post-Katrina, post-9/11 &#8212; should be a point of consideration.  Someone&#8217;s hurt, dying, sick, bleeding, whatever; the natural human response is, &#8220;Oh God!  What can I do to help!?  Here, have a $5 sent-by-text donation!&#8221;  And that&#8217;s good.  I don&#8217;t think Shirley ever insinuated it wasn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>But donations and aid of any form are only as good as the use to which they are put.  Truth, hard and cold.  It&#8217;s great if we can get together x million dollars to send out into the ether to fund the various humanitarian operations working to get relief to Haitians right now.  It&#8217;d be better if we could get together x million dollars to send to various humanitarian operations working to rebuild Haiti and make it BETTER, STRONGER, FASTER.  We have the technology, my friends.  </p>
<p>Something that&#8217;s gotten lost in all this mess, to a degree, is the fact that there are actual Goddamn people living in Haiti.  At first blush, Shirley&#8217;s ranticle read to me as essentially saying, &#8220;How dare those poor people be so poor!&#8221;  And, sure, that&#8217;s an easy read to take.  It serves to feed the confirmation bias of &#8220;Everyone who disagrees with me and doesn&#8217;t do so in a manner that I endorse is just doing so to be a troll&#8221;.  Saying that perhaps the citizens of Haiti aren&#8217;t simply victims doesn&#8217;t amount to saying that they deserved the decades of abuse prior to now or that they aren&#8217;t deserving of any aid at all.</p>
<p>Everybody wants to help Haiti.  Some of us are simply not convinced that throwing money in the country&#8217;s vague direction is the best plan of attack.  If Paul Shirley&#8217;s guilty of anything, for my money it&#8217;s bad writing.  </p>
<p>Now can we all stop being so precious about this and demand that the relief organizations which have received (which is, no matter how you slice it, a lot.  One example: <a href="http://www.physorg.com/news182698254.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.physorg.com/news182698254.html</a> ) openly discuss their tactics for best distributing aid and helping the citizens of Haiti set up an infrastructure that will help minimize the impact of future natural disasters?</p>
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		<title>By: justicenaczycz</title>
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		<dc:creator>justicenaczycz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dave that&#039;s another well reasoned response to mitchell above but I can&#039;t help but add that iff mitchell thinks that the piece he is commenting on doesn&#039;t examine shirley&#039;s argument thoughtfully and is some sort of emotional off the cuff rant than I can only assume he has trouble with the vocabulary or didn&#039;t read it. And if he thinks that no one has given the argument any real thought than I believe he is attributing blog commenters as being the only people on earth with any opinion on the subject. I guess it comes from a blog and we&#039;re on a blog, and blog blog blog, but this isn&#039;t just about paul shirley. It&#039;s about a movement that has gained far too much momentum despite no organization (outside of media providing jobs for these fucks). 
It comes down to what david says at the end of the piece about flattering intellectual complacency. It&#039;s the same as the bullshit &quot;I&#039;m just folks like you&quot; of bush and palin and continues to the just unbelievably hateful pat robertsons. and there is some responsibility as a writer (and hopefully a noursiher of discourse and intellect or at least information) to not contribute to this backwards and destructive idiocy. The people who are convinced by stuff like this don&#039;t need any more legitimizing. They&#039;re already seriously delusional about the facts and their ability to reason with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dave that&#8217;s another well reasoned response to mitchell above but I can&#8217;t help but add that iff mitchell thinks that the piece he is commenting on doesn&#8217;t examine shirley&#8217;s argument thoughtfully and is some sort of emotional off the cuff rant than I can only assume he has trouble with the vocabulary or didn&#8217;t read it. And if he thinks that no one has given the argument any real thought than I believe he is attributing blog commenters as being the only people on earth with any opinion on the subject. I guess it comes from a blog and we&#8217;re on a blog, and blog blog blog, but this isn&#8217;t just about paul shirley. It&#8217;s about a movement that has gained far too much momentum despite no organization (outside of media providing jobs for these fucks).<br />
It comes down to what david says at the end of the piece about flattering intellectual complacency. It&#8217;s the same as the bullshit &#8220;I&#8217;m just folks like you&#8221; of bush and palin and continues to the just unbelievably hateful pat robertsons. and there is some responsibility as a writer (and hopefully a noursiher of discourse and intellect or at least information) to not contribute to this backwards and destructive idiocy. The people who are convinced by stuff like this don&#8217;t need any more legitimizing. They&#8217;re already seriously delusional about the facts and their ability to reason with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask the internet and ye shall receive, eh? That was better work than I would have come up with Dave, especially considering it was more about the world the idea exists in instead of the piece itself, but it still didn&#039;t turn in to some ouroboros of commentary. I can&#039;t really add anything on to what Rob said about the history of Hati without sounding like a dilettante, so let me just say good show sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask the internet and ye shall receive, eh? That was better work than I would have come up with Dave, especially considering it was more about the world the idea exists in instead of the piece itself, but it still didn&#8217;t turn in to some ouroboros of commentary. I can&#8217;t really add anything on to what Rob said about the history of Hati without sounding like a dilettante, so let me just say good show sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Segall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Segall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Letâ€™s give him a benefit of the doubt (and a presumption of a work ethic) and guess itâ€™s the latter.&quot;

If this is what the platform of any credibility that Shirley has/had rests upon then the guy is coming from a very distant and logically-benighted place. But we already knew that. What&#039;s far sadder, and much more frightening, is the dawning realization that his sentiments - or those almost identical - will be passed around like hors d&#039;ouevres or Legionnaires disease at the Tea Bag convention in Nashville this week. In fact, I can envision Shirley walking gleefully into that khaki-and-powdered-wig clusterfuck to the biggest standing ovation of his life (he plays Spain, right? There aren&#039;t direct flights from Bilbao to Nashville yet, are there?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Letâ€™s give him a benefit of the doubt (and a presumption of a work ethic) and guess itâ€™s the latter.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is what the platform of any credibility that Shirley has/had rests upon then the guy is coming from a very distant and logically-benighted place. But we already knew that. What&#8217;s far sadder, and much more frightening, is the dawning realization that his sentiments &#8211; or those almost identical &#8211; will be passed around like hors d&#8217;ouevres or Legionnaires disease at the Tea Bag convention in Nashville this week. In fact, I can envision Shirley walking gleefully into that khaki-and-powdered-wig clusterfuck to the biggest standing ovation of his life (he plays Spain, right? There aren&#8217;t direct flights from Bilbao to Nashville yet, are there?).</p>
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		<title>By: David Roth</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I promise you PS did no research. Which would explain how he missed everything that globalization means. The piece (which I&#039;m sorry you had to read, after having avoided it for so long) was strictly reactive and emotional and peevish. Which is one of the dozen or so reasons I hated it as much as I did. But well done and well-said, RW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I promise you PS did no research. Which would explain how he missed everything that globalization means. The piece (which I&#8217;m sorry you had to read, after having avoided it for so long) was strictly reactive and emotional and peevish. Which is one of the dozen or so reasons I hated it as much as I did. But well done and well-said, RW.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said, Rob. My guess is that Shirley didn&#039;t do any of the research except for a cursory look at the effects (and only the effects) of the neoliberal policies that you cite. But this goes to the heart of David&#039;s argument above: contrarianism for contrarianism&#039;s sake eschews all substance and the actual need to be familiar with what one is being contrary about. It&#039;s all form and no substance. It can be used for any situation. I still say Shirley&#039;s biggest crime is being a dick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said, Rob. My guess is that Shirley didn&#8217;t do any of the research except for a cursory look at the effects (and only the effects) of the neoliberal policies that you cite. But this goes to the heart of David&#8217;s argument above: contrarianism for contrarianism&#8217;s sake eschews all substance and the actual need to be familiar with what one is being contrary about. It&#8217;s all form and no substance. It can be used for any situation. I still say Shirley&#8217;s biggest crime is being a dick.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Warmowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Warmowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed all of this -  just like Shirley missed all the decades of neoliberal economics as practiced by the US dumping massively subsidized Louisiana rice in Haiti, destroying their hobbled-since-birth self-sufficiency.   He also missed the debt of the country being used as a gun to its head by the IMF to savage its own economy, privatize its institutions,  and destroy any chance of a public sector developing in order to enforce building codes.  He missed the cold war, he missed US support for the Touton Macoutes, he missed all of what globalization means.  

All of this is a fair mistake for a guy who doesn&#039;t write about geopolitics...until he writes about geopolitics.  What isn&#039;t fair - what&#039;s galling -  is that his failure to mention, let alone synthesize any of the above objective historical realities means he either didn&#039;t know (or care) to look for them, or, once having found them, presumed they were propaganda.  Let&#039;s give him a benefit of the doubt (and a presumption of a work ethic) and guess it&#039;s the latter.

A monster problem for people who are geopolitical dilettantes is pro forma skepticism.  That is to say, looking at an event with the expectation that two opposing narratives exist and presuming that both are necessarily partisan or ideological and therefore cancel.  

That applies often enough to propaganda.  But economic history is not commonly propaganda.  In fact, it&#039;s a great rule of thumb that very, very little that is boring to read is or can even be propaganda.  Also, things that are boring to read have the additional quality of not being diametrically opposable.   Read enough and then you can triangulate a defensible position, not before.

In short, if you haven&#039;t yet been bored by your research on a subject, you haven&#039;t done enough of it and should keep your yapper shut.

Unless you&#039;re recklessly whoring for clicks.  And if you&#039;re doing that, fuck you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed all of this &#8211;  just like Shirley missed all the decades of neoliberal economics as practiced by the US dumping massively subsidized Louisiana rice in Haiti, destroying their hobbled-since-birth self-sufficiency.   He also missed the debt of the country being used as a gun to its head by the IMF to savage its own economy, privatize its institutions,  and destroy any chance of a public sector developing in order to enforce building codes.  He missed the cold war, he missed US support for the Touton Macoutes, he missed all of what globalization means.  </p>
<p>All of this is a fair mistake for a guy who doesn&#8217;t write about geopolitics&#8230;until he writes about geopolitics.  What isn&#8217;t fair &#8211; what&#8217;s galling &#8211;  is that his failure to mention, let alone synthesize any of the above objective historical realities means he either didn&#8217;t know (or care) to look for them, or, once having found them, presumed they were propaganda.  Let&#8217;s give him a benefit of the doubt (and a presumption of a work ethic) and guess it&#8217;s the latter.</p>
<p>A monster problem for people who are geopolitical dilettantes is pro forma skepticism.  That is to say, looking at an event with the expectation that two opposing narratives exist and presuming that both are necessarily partisan or ideological and therefore cancel.  </p>
<p>That applies often enough to propaganda.  But economic history is not commonly propaganda.  In fact, it&#8217;s a great rule of thumb that very, very little that is boring to read is or can even be propaganda.  Also, things that are boring to read have the additional quality of not being diametrically opposable.   Read enough and then you can triangulate a defensible position, not before.</p>
<p>In short, if you haven&#8217;t yet been bored by your research on a subject, you haven&#8217;t done enough of it and should keep your yapper shut.</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re recklessly whoring for clicks.  And if you&#8217;re doing that, fuck you.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the thoughtful analysis. Now that everyone has a printing press on their lap, talk is cheaper than ever. And it&#039;s easy for a smartypants to argue abstractions without any particular knowledge or even conviction. If we want to do that, we ought to restrict topics to sports or punkrock. Like you said, this is actual reality that we&#039;re talking about in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the thoughtful analysis. Now that everyone has a printing press on their lap, talk is cheaper than ever. And it&#8217;s easy for a smartypants to argue abstractions without any particular knowledge or even conviction. If we want to do that, we ought to restrict topics to sports or punkrock. Like you said, this is actual reality that we&#8217;re talking about in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: cp</title>
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		<dc:creator>cp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eep.  Sorry about that.  The compliments still stand of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eep.  Sorry about that.  The compliments still stand of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Hoops</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy Hoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second what CP said. I could barely hold back my anger at the disgusting &#039;letter to the Haitian people&#039; he wrote within his piece, but you managed to step back and take him to task like an adult. Well done. 

Tom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second what CP said. I could barely hold back my anger at the disgusting &#8216;letter to the Haitian people&#8217; he wrote within his piece, but you managed to step back and take him to task like an adult. Well done. </p>
<p>Tom.</p>
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